All of my posts on this Blog are meant to be Conversation Starters. I never want to be the final word on any topic. I'm trying to put ideas out there that hopefully others more knowledgeable and skilled then me can expand on.
Sunday, October 27, 2024
Mab Darogan and William The Conqueror.
Friday, November 11, 2022
Vandals in the Time of King Arthur.
Tuesday, August 2, 2022
Friday, January 29, 2021
Saber is not Wrong in Fate/Zero
I've classified Fate/Zero as the most Normie friendly Fate/ show, and for many reasons say you should go ahead and watch it first. But this YouTube Video I just watched on Zero shows what could happen when a Normie watches it with no desire to dig deeper. [Update: ProfessorViral has done something similar.]
If one of your main takeaways from Fate/Zero is that it totally $h!ts on Saber and her values, and that's how it should be. Then you need to see how Stay Night finishes her story (both the Fate Route and Unlimited Blade Works bring her arc to a nice resolution). But there are also things even in just Fate/Zero you are missing.
As far as the Grail Dialogue goes, yes Rider is more right, or at least wins that argument. The thing about Rider in Zero is that he is the most like a conventional Anime protagonist, more so even then anyone in Stay Night. I don't want to go too far off the main topic here since I'm considering another post specifically on Iskandar.
My problem comes when people decide that Gilgamesh while morally despicable is still ideologically more right then Saber. Saber and Rider's ideologies are both Collectivist ones, so either one is far more compatible with Otaku values. Rider lashes out at Saber more mainly because he knows Gilgamesh is not open to ever admitting he is wrong.
The conclusion Saber comes to at the end, where her wish changes from wanting to change how her reign ended to erasing her kingship entirely is absolutely not the conclusion Rider would have wanted her to come to, he was all about not dwelling on your regrets.
Fate/Zero breaks Saber, her Arc in Stay Night is about restoring her optimism.
And the real tragedy is how the main thing that broke her was a complete misunderstanding, Lancelot is not acting like a madman because of anything about how she ruled, the problem is he wasn't meant to be a Berserker, Zouken messing with the summoning spell is what caused that.
The reason Fate/Zero should be the starting point for specifically the people who want to watch Fate/ because it's pretty much the only Anime franchise about Arthurian Legend, is because this is the one where Artoria starts the story as from her standpoint where her original life ended. Stay Night is about an Artoria who's already been changed by the modern world.
It is also mainly for their sake I want a UFOtable quality adaptation of the Fate Route, that is the only Route of the VN that's really about that stuff. However I want UFTOtable adaptations of Tsukihime more, and like with Fate/ they can start with the second route and save the one that already has a less then ideal Anime till they've done the rest.
The main thing you notice when watching Zero as a Prequel is how this time Saber is like Shirou while this Emiya is the pragmatist. Watching it chronologically however you see that she goes full circle.
Thursday, September 21, 2017
I just watched Princess Mononoke
There are a lot of analytical things I could say about this movie, others have said a lot already. But the main thing on my mind right now is this.
It's set in medieval Japan (The late Muromachi Period, 24th through 16th centuries). Of the different Human clans depicted in the movie, the one most ancestral to the primary population of modern Japan (the ones associated with The Emperor and Samurai), are the most villainous.
The might seem strange at first. But we do the same thing in the English Speaking world, in works based on Arthurian Legend, where the Angles and Saxons are depicted as savage marauding pagan barbarians. Or even more generally when the Vikings are depicted that way.
I've seen in some Disqus comments sections people being confused by Saber in Fate/Zero talking about Britain falling to ruin, since it looks to them like Britain is still there. But the population of modern Britain mainly descends from people who were King Arthur's enemies. They took over the island and started calling Arthur's people "Welsh" which meant foreigner in the Saxon language. Then later we Anglo-Saxons traveled across the Atlantic and did the exact same thing to the Native American, massacred them, raped them, and appropriated their culture.
Similarly is how the movie actually refereed to the Samurai as "Samurai Thugs". Not the opinion we're used to Anime having of Samurai. But remember, the Samurai are often compared to European Medieval Knights, and plenty of modern Western Fiction sometimes acknowledges that they were really the Gangsters of their time. Like in The Tudors and Game of Thrones.
Perhaps this is not an appropriate observation for a Western viewer of the film to make. Though it would arguably take a Western perspective to make the comparison to the Saxons in Arthurian Legend. I wonder what Gaijin Goomba would think?
Tuesday, September 12, 2017
Fate/Stay Night is the best modern take on Grail Romance
Saturday, May 20, 2017
Wolfram's Parzival and The Grail in Arabia
I do think The Ark's imagery was an influence on how Wolfram depicted the Grail. But I think there is also another key influence to possibly consider.
Disclaimer, this is a fiction Blog not a History blog. While I'd like to think some hints at forgotten History might be here, I am not claiming Wolfram was simply changing names of a true story. I include this disclaimer because you'll be surprised how often this type of fiction inspires real conspiracy theories.
People sometimes criticize Wolfram for Medieval European ignorance in calling Arabs Pagans. However this criticism seems to forget that the story is supposed to be contemporary with King Arthur (516-537 AD according to the Annals Cambrie, died in 542 according to Monmouth and the Brute Tysilo), a generation before Muhammad was born. Arabia at this time had Pagans, Jews and Christians, it was diverse. Mecca specifically was mainly Polytheistic, with 360 Idols in the Kaaba before Muhammad took it over.
But the key thing with my differing from Hancock is I can no longer agree with Zazamanc being based on Aksum. Much of the geography in Wolfram seems intentionally confusing, and scholars have long disagreed on if Zazamanc is placed in Africa or Arabia. It's safe to say many medieval Europeans often didn't know the difference. And what was meant by India or Indes was also confused and contradictory as Hancock discuses.
Queen Belacane is not named after Makeda, but rather after a name for the Queen of Sheba from Arabian tradition, Bilqis. (most theories on the Eytmolgoy of Bilqis I disagree with, it probably comes from combining Baal with Qos or Quzzah) But more interestingly is how the name of Zazamanc possibly resembles the name Zamzam, the name of a Well near Mecca that Islamic tradition says is the Well where God spoke to Hagar in Genesis 16&21.
Locating her so far from Yemen need not discredit the significance of her possibly being named after the Queen of Sheba. The breaking of the Mar'ib Dam caused many migrations northwards in Arabia, and the area of Mecca is believed to be have been controlled by people from Yemen for much of the history leading up to Muhammad. According to Sarwar (Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar. Muhammad the Holy Prophet. pp. 18–19.) 400 years before the birth of Muhammad, a man named "Amr bin Lahyo bin Harath bin Amr ul-Qais bin Thalaba bin Azd bin Khalan bin Babalyun bin Saba", who was descended from Joktan and was the king of Hijaz placed a Hubal idol onto the roof of the Kaaba.
In addition to Zazamanc, I have a hunch Janfuse and Tribalibot with it's cities of Tharbronit and Thasme should be placed in Arabia as well. Maybe even also specifically the Hijaz. Tabala south of Mecca could be related to some of those names. Also Thabir, a mountain near Mecca. There was also Thawr an ancestral figure of the Kindah.
That's a total of three kingdoms ruled by Queens in Parzival. We are sadly lacking a lot of information about Pre-Islamic Arabia, but I have argued that there is some evidence it may have been surprisingly Feminist.
In Secundille's kingdom of Tribalibot lived a race of humanoid boar like creatures which included Cundrie and her brother Malcreatiure. The Koran says in Sura 5:60, 7:166 and 2:65 that Allah once turned a group of Jewish Fishermen living on the Red Sea into Apes and Swine for violating the Sabbath. Muhammad refers to this as a story the Jews of the area already knew, so it was probably a now forgotten local tradition among some Arabian Jews of the Hijaz. Could this story have inspired Wolfram?
Secundille gave land of hers to Feirfez to rule with his bride the Grail Maiden. And that was Hancock's reasoning for thinking Wolfram was saying the Grail wound up in Feirfez's kingdom, wherever it was.
I'm considering identifying Secundille's tribe with the Quraysh and Belacane's with the Banu Khuza'a.
Wolfram's Grail indeed was not a Cup or linked to the Last Supper in any capacity. It is described as a Stone from Heaven. The Black Stone of the Kaaba is also supposed to be a Stone from Heaven. Jason Covalito speculated that Wolfram's Arabic inspiration was the Emerald Tablet of Thoth, but I think the Black Stone of the Kaaba itself is a far more direct comparison.
What about the Grail Castle, Munsalvaeche? That name means "Mount of the Wilderness". Mount Sinai aka Mount Horeb sounds like the most likely reference there.
I once argued Mount Sinai could be Jabal Shu'yab in Sana'a the Capital of Yemen, I don't support such out there theories anymore but I definitely think in the past locals could have believed it was. That city wasn't there in antiquity of course. The City was founded in the 530s (contemporary with King Arthur) by Abraha. After the Jewish Himyarite King Dhu Nuwas was defeated by the Aksumite Kingdom in 525 AD, Abraha was appointed to be the Aksumite Governor of Yemen. But he wound up declaring himself an independent King and made Sana'a his Capital.
He aroused the wrath of Kaléb, however, by withholding tribute who then sent his general 'Ariat to take over the governorship of Yemen. 'Abraha rid himself of the latter by a subterfuge in a duel resulting in 'Ariat being killed and 'Abraha suffering the injury which earned him the sobriquet of al-Asräm, "scar-face." [ "Abraha." Dictionary of African Christian Biographies. 2007. (last accessed 11 April 2007)]So he could also be described as a Wounded or Maimed King, and it was even specifically a Duel. Could he be partly the basis for Anfortas? Combined with material taken from the earlier grail romances? And removing things that painted him more negatively.
He is also said to have built a great Church at Sana'a Al-Qalis and repaired the irrigation system at Ma'rib. Islamic Tradition says he died in 570 AD, the same year Muhammad was born, when Allah thwarted his attempted invasion of Mecca.
Feirfez marrying the Grail Maiden, Repense de Schoi, daughter of Anfortas, could be read as implying the Grail moves to his Kingdom. That aspect of Hancock's theory I think is valid. So is Wolfram trying to secretly say the Black Stone of the Kaaba at Mecca used to be in Yemen at Mount Sinai? That's a stretch, but it may have interested him to construct such a narrative.
There also it seems used to be other Stones at other Kaabas. A Red Stone in the city of Ghaiman and a White Stone at Tabala south of Mecca, which I mentioned above. It's been argued that the concept of Kaabas and their stones originally came from Yemeni religious practices.
On the subject of Mount Sinai. Second Maccabees, (a text that is included in Catholic Bibles) Chapter 2 verses 4-8, tells a story that Jeremiah took the Ark of the Covenant and The Tabernacle to Mount Sinai (doesn't name it but that's what it would be) where it was hidden away by God. I doubt that is the Ark's real fate, but it's something Wolfram could have drawn on.
I don't know how old this tradition is, but I've seen Muslims claim The Black Stone was once in the Ark of the Covenant. And that The Ark of the Covenant is hidden in The Kaaba. (From this spun off a modern conspiracy theory about a Super Weapon called the Ark of Gabriel being in Mecca and now somehow was taken by Russia). Specifically I've seen The Ark claimed to be in the Babut Taubah or Tabut Taubal, which is supposed to be just the stairwell to the roof of the Kaaba. But it's claimed that "Tabut" means wooden box (I don't know Arabic), and they say The Ark is alluded to in the Koran in Sura 2:248. Again, I also doubt those theories are true.
Well that's my speculation on Wolfram. I may do posts about other Grail Lore in the future.
Update 2019: I've become very interested in the theory that Mecca was originally Petra, which would only slightly adjust the theories here. I discussed it on another Blog. Wolfrom wrote long after modern Mecca definitely became Mecca, maybe Belacane was a queen in the Petra area and Secundille near modern Mecca?
Wednesday, April 6, 2016
Biblical influences on Arthurian Legend and Grail Romance
Whatever the real story of Arthur was, his legend has been influenced by many factors, including Celtic pagan mythology, and also by the contemporary concerns of various authors from the Crusades to the War of the Roses to the present. And as most Arthurian authors until the very modern age have been Christians of some type, it's safe to say Biblical themes have been an influence.
Given Gildas debatable relationship to Arthurian tradition. I could start by mentioning how he references the Beasts of Daniel 7 and Revelation 12-13 to insult 5 local kings. So the Bear reference is not at all evidence Cuneglass or Owain was normally called the Bear/Arth/Arto.
Of most interest however are the most notorious Kings of The Bible, like David and Solomon. In many cases even if mimicking David wasn't the origin of a certain plot point the similarity could have still been in some authors' minds. And it's fun to look at parallels that may or may not have been intentional at all.
Davidic parallels for the Mythical Arthur could begin right with his origin story. Uther's adultery with Igerne and murder of Goloris could be compared to Bathsheba and Urias, but how it plays out is very different. Recently that Starz series Camelot inverted the usual Arthur-Guinevere-Lancelot triangle by making Arthur the adulterer, that makes a David and Bathsheba parallel very possible to see, but the Lancelot replacement isn't murdered by Arthur, though he does die in battle as Urias technically does.
David had two sons who were would-be usurpers like Mordred. And with Absalom the story does begin with half-brother/half-sister incest, (but the real Sin there was the Rape).
And going back to the original version where Mordred was Arthur's sister's son, you could compare him to Joab son of Zeruiah who was the real mastermind of Adonijah's attempted coup. And like Mordred, Joab wasn't David's only maternal Nephew, he had two brothers, Abishai and Ashael. And David's other sister Abigail was the mother of Amasa who was Absalom's commander in chief. So both rebellions involved a son and a sister's son, which is interesting.
There is also debate among scholars on if David's sisters were by the same father, an issue I'm still investigating myself.
Also both these rebel sons had lain with or attempted to marry Concubines of David, which possibly parallels Mordred's marrying Guinivere, though she was the Queen-Wife not a Concubine.
But what I mainly want to talk about today is Perceval.
Chretien de Troyes' Perceval, le Conte du Graal, which was the first appearance of both Perceval and The Holy Grail. Had a number of influences on it no doubt, but one thing I've noticed is a possible allegory in which Perceval is David and Arthur is Saul.
Many later details we associate with Perceval weren't there yet, he is not given a detailed genealogy for one thing. Also none of the people or places directly linked to the Grail are named yet.
Perceval first makes a name for himself by killing a Knight who was troubling Arthur, that could be compared to slaying Goliath, and Sir Kay's role could be Abner. While this isn't part of Chretien's narrative, it's interesting that when Arthur is given a humble upbringing prior to becoming King, it's usually as something like a farmer (as in Disney's Sword in The Stone), which would fit Saul more then David who was a Shepherd.
And even though their relation to each other is different and to Arthur non existent. I think maybe Gornemant and Blanchefleur could be Johnathon and Michal.
The big thing though is, I think The Fisher King might be based on Ahimelech.
The figure of The Fisher King I have seen described before as being like a Priest-King, now at face value in Biblical history that makes us think of Melchizedek, the Hasmoneans and if you're a Christian Jesus. But what's interesting about Ahimelech is he was a Priest but his name has the Hebrew word for King in it. The question is if Chretien could have known that?
I've mentioned before how The Holy Grail was not originally identified as the Cup at the Last Supper, it was the third known Grail Romance author, Robert de Boron, that first made that identification. In Chertien it seems to be a plate or bowl of some kind that contained a single Mass Wafer. What that means is there was a thematic at least Last Supper connection, but it was to the Bread not the Wine. But it should be noted in the original French text Chertien call is "un Graal" or "A Grail" not "The Grail", so it probably never was his intent to say it's the original of anything.
To a Christian, all references to bread, especially unleavened bread throughout the Old Testament are seen as anticipating the Bread of the Last Supper and probably representing the same thing, starting with the Bread and Wine offered by Melchizedek. This would particularly be true of The Shewbread in the Holy Place of the Tabernacle. So it's interesting that Ahimelech offers David the Shewbread.
The Grail Procession in Chretien also includes a Candelabra which could stand in for the Menorah, though it had 10 candles rather then 7. The Menorah isn't specifically mentioned in the Ahimelech account but it's the Tabernacle and most assume the Tabernacle was at Nob.
The Fisher King also gives Perceval a Sword. Ahimelech gives David the Sword of Goliath which had been kept with the Ephod since David slew him.
That Gwain takes over the narrative I think is where this parallel ends.
Chertein's tale was unfinished, so we don't know if Perceval would have gone on to become a King as he often does in later Grail romances.
Chertein also invented the character of Lancelot in an earlier different work, but that Lancelot was never part of the Grail story, there was no Galahad or Elaine of Corbenic yet.
The second Grail Romance was Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parzival. Wolfram's work is very well known, yet strangely later Grail and Arthurian romances really didn't follow his lead. They have in common adding a genealogical link to the Grail family for Percival, but elsewhere it's usually through his father while for Wolfram it was through his mother. The Vulgate cycle and Malory give completely different names for Percival's ancestors and the Grail family. And the characters of Belacane and Feirefiz do not reappear either.
The one possible influence is that once Lancleot became part of the Grail story and Galahad is created, I think he takes on some aspects of Feirefiz. With Elaine of Corbenic replacing Repanse de Shoye. And Prester John becoming Galahad.
There are a lot of clearly intentional historical anachronisms in Wolfram. I as a student of Bible Prophecy disagree with seeing Babylon as code for Rome in 1 Peter or Revelation, but that idea was firmly established by Wolfram's time, and that one of his rulers of Babylon has a clearly Roman name, Pompeius, tells me that Wolfram meant Babylon to be code for Rome. But he probably had the Eastern Empire in mind, what we call the Byzantine Empire never called itself that, they always called themselves Romans. It's the same with references to Rome and Romans in old Isalmic writings.
I've talked before briefly about how the Grail is a Stone in Wolfram, and about Graham Hancock's theory that Wolfram's Grail was the Ark of the Covenant (which contained stone tablets), and that Wolfram was aware of Ethiopia's claim to have the Ark. I'm convinced of much of that argument, but I do take things from people like Hancock with a grain of salt.
There are many thematic reasons to still link the Ark with the Grail even after the Grail becomes the Cup of the Last Supper. Jesus quotes Exodus (but not the Passover account, rather Exodus 24:8) at the Last Supper, the Blood of Oxen was shed to confirm the Old Covenant, and the Blood of Jesus is shed to confirm the New and Everlasting Covenant. So the Grail could be seen as the Ark of the New Covenant.
Robert de Boron also introduced the Seige Perilous (The Perilous Seat) as a special Seat at the Round Table linked to the Grail, that only the worthy Grail King can sit on it. The lid of the Ark is called thanks to translation errors The Mercy Seat and is mistakenly believed by many today to be a Throne, specifically the Throne Jesus will sit on when He returns. And if someone unworthy sat in the Seige Perilous it killed them, like how the Ark killed unclean people who touched it.
Even the idea of the Grail catching the Blood of Jesus shed after he was pierced with the Spear is interesting. Ron Wyatt and Michael Rood believe the Ark was located under Golgotha and that Jesus Blood fell through the cracked open ground onto the Mercy Seat. In my Mercy Seat study I was very critical of that view. But the logic behind it stems from Leviticus 16 and Yom Kippur.
The first King of the Grail line in Robert de Boron is named Bron. That name serves a dual purpose I think. One is to echo the Celtic Bran linked to the Cauldron that played the Grail's role in the Welsh Arthurian tales. But it is also stated in de Boron that the full name of Bron was Hebron. Hebron is a name who's most well known Biblical usage is as a city (Judah and David's capital before Jerusalem), but it's also the name of a leader of the Kohathites in Exodus 6:8 and Number 3:19&27 who were in charge of caring for The Ark and other Tabernacle vessels in Numbers 3:30-32.
Bron married a Sister of Joseph of Arimathea, named Enygeus. Robert de Boron's narrative is to me very interesting, considering I have argued that Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' half brother Joses. And that one of Jesus half sister's was named Naomi and became ancestral to the Bagratid dynasty possibly via marrying someone of the royal family of Adiabene. And that The Virgin Mary might have had Hasmonean ancestry. I doubt de Boron believed similar things, but they are interesting reasons for me to consider doing my own re-imagining of de Boron's narrative.
I also wonder if the story of King Kalafes suffering from Leprosy and being healed by the Grail then converting to Christianity, was based on the legend about King Abgar of Edessa. I of course take issue with Eisenman's theories. Also interesting is the theory that a later Abgar of Edessa, was the real basis of Lucius of Britain with where he lived being a scribal error.
One more Biblical figure I think of as possibly linkable to the Wounded King is King Asa. Asa was one of the longer reigning kings of Judah, over 40 years, and one of the better reviewed ones. But because of one of his mistakes he spent the twilight of his reign with a crippling foot disease. The last few years of his reign his successor Jehoshaphat was already ruling as Co-Regent. Which fits how the Fisher King and Wounded King are sometimes separate with the Fisher King as the son. The era in which Jehoshaphat lived I discus on my Revised Chronology Blog.
Still we should not forget however that the figure of the Fisher King definitely has a Pagan origin too going back to the Welsh Bran the Blessed. One thing the 80s Excalibur film gets criticized for is making Arthur the Fisher King, and it's generally defended only by saying it's the best way to condense all of Arthurian legend down to one film. But when you go back to the Welsh Cauldron legends, Arthur and Bran are kind of interchangeable. Both are said to be mortally wounded and waiting to be healed.
The way Excalibur depicts Arthur as all dark and Emo during his latter years does remind me of some film depictions of Solomon. From Yul Brynner to the 90s Solomon movie that sometimes airs on the Hallmark channel.
Tuesday, April 5, 2016
My hypothesis on the Historical King Arthur
Sunday, April 3, 2016
The War of The Roses, Game of Thrones and Final Fantasy Tactics
Both are also very dark pessimistic and arguably deconstructive takes on the High Fantasy Genre, I guess the War of the Roses isn't the most ideal piece of history to draw on if you wanna be Optimistic.
Both Ivalice and Westeros were originally Seven Kingdoms, just like England which was seven Anglo-Saxon Kingdoms united by Ælfrēd The Great's successors. Aegon Targaryen being a conqueror from outside Westeros however would make a closer analogy to William The Conqueror then Ælfrēd.
One thing I wonder if anyone else has noticed is that when you apply how Westeros' geography equates to England's, The Wall that is such a big plot point is clearly inspired by Hadrian's Wall.
The scenario also involves an "Evil" Queen who's son may or may not be the son of her Kingly husband. But how exactly she relates to the House that sides with her tends to be changed.
And both are a conflict between North and South. Perhaps the least unique of the defining characteristics. There was a North v South civil war in the history of my country also. Bible scholars know that happens in the Bible twice (with Israel and with the division of Alexander's Empire in Daniel 11). And it's part of Ancient Egypt's history. And since we'll be talking some Japanese media here there was also a time when Japan was divided between rival branches of the Imperial Family, one based up North and the other down South.
There are some key differences in how the two draw inspiration from it.
The most superficial thing is the way Tactics geographically switches the scenario somewhat. In both the History and GoT it's the Southern House that sides with the Queen, while in Tactics it's the North.
But the biggest distinction is that Martin was largely drawing on a popular perception of the war that viewed the Yorks as the good guys, at least before the Yorks internal conflicts messed everything up. Richard 3rd Duke of York was largely the basis for Ned Stark, and Edward IV the basis for Robb Stark.
But in Tactics both Dukes are equally selfish pricks who care nothing for the suffering their war brings on the common people they're supposed to be responsible for. And they're not even the most Evil characters in the story.
However, they also have a lot in common in how they change the story, which is perhaps the most interesting thing to look at.
In the real War of the Roses both houses were branches of the Royal Family. Siding with Lancaster was by traditional standards siding with the rightful heir, they had been the main line for two generations by this point. While the Dukes of York descended from a different son of one of the earlier Plantagenets. The Duke of York held a relation to the Royal family comparable to the Duke of Orleans prior to the French Revolution. The Noble who serves as leader of the Lancaster faction without sitting on the throne himself is actually Somerset and that's why their associated with the South. [Update: So I originally wrote this not knowing about the whole Mortimer claim, the Yorks are the more senior line by Male-Preference rather then Male-Only Primogeniture. But also Henry IV claimed the Throne by Conquest like Robert Baratheon.]
But in both GoT and Tactics the warring houses are separate Noble Houses, and the Royal family effectively going extinct is partly what causes the conflict.
In both the Queen is a member of one of the rival houses who married the King. While historically the Queen was a foreign (French) royal who married the King of England, who was a Lancaster.
All three have in common a suspicion (though in Tactics it is very vaguely hinted at while in GoT it's blatantly confirmed) that the actual father of the Queen's son is a member of the House that sides with her. But because of the above change this makes both fictional scenarios Incestuous, while historically it would not have been (I won't venture to guess if it's true or not).
As Fantasy stories it's not surprising that both add supernatural elements, but it's interesting how they both bring them in in a similar way. An inhuman menace threatens to destroy the world and the internal selfish squabbling of the people who run it have them totally uninterested in dealing with that. Like they're taking Reagan's whole "if Aliens attacked we'd all come together" slogan and saying, "no we wouldn't".
That's not necessarily the only way you could bring Cosmic Horrors into a story like this. You could go further then Martin in siding with the North by having the Demons side with Lancaster and the Angels side with York. But that would lack nuance I suppose. In Homer's depiction of the Trojan War the gods all took sides in the conflict and often switched sides at random, I would probably emulate that.
Both are likely to be very different from history in how they end. Martin's isn't over yet so we don't know for sure. But it seems like there is hope that maybe eventually they will come together and deal with the real threat. But as a Video Game FF Tactics has to be a story where the character you play and the party he forms save the world mostly on their own, the depressing part is in Universe no one knows what Ramza did and the biggest @##hole is remembered as a hero.
If whoever rules when the dust settles isn't exactly either side fighting each other when it all started. Then that "winner" could be viewed as allegorically Henry VII to some extent. In tactics this would be Delita Herial (and maybe Ovelia would be Elizabeth of York?). But an important plot point of the game is that Delita was a complete commoner. Henry Tudor had a distant connection to the Lancaster line, but more importantly he was a direct heir to the Princes of Wales and thus to the Kings of the Britons who ruled the Island before the Anglo-Saxons came. Because of this he was heralded as the Mab Darodan and the return of King Arthur.
Who would make the most sense in that context in Game of Thrones? Maybe a Targaryen since Pendragon means head of the Dragon. And Henry Tudor was a direct descendant of Maelgwn who Gildas called "The Dragon of the Island". Arthur means Bear but none of the houses of Westeros have a Bear as their symbol. Henry Tudor invaded crossing the channel from France, which could fit what Daenerys is planning to do.
Also GoT doesn't have an allegorical vilification of Christianity. It has religious themes, but not so blatantly anti-religious.
They are no doubt not the only works of fiction to draw inspiration from the War of the Roses. Though I'm hardly an expert on the subject. But I know that the first such example would actually be Le Morte d'Arthur, which has to a large extent defined Arthurian legend ever since. Thomas Mallory was actually contemporary with the War of the Roses, so for his time the influence of that War on fiction was more like WWII and Vietnam are for us. The actual geopolitical scenario in the story makes far less of a direct analogy, the parallels that do exist are ones you may have to be a contemporary to get.
There has also been fiction that directly depicts the history involved. Starting with Shakespeare's Tetrology, (the Henry VI trilogy and Richard III). I rather enjoyed The White Queen TV Series, haven't read the books.
Monday, September 21, 2015
Modernizing Arthurian Legend
All the standard takes on Arthurian legend that define it for modern readers are done in a more (then) modern setting then the 5th/6th century setting of the original Welsh poems and the history that Arthur would have lived in. The Grail romances are based on the world of the Crusades, and Malory's tale I've read before was largely done with the War of the Roses in mind (making it the Game of Thrones or Final Fantasy Tactics of it's time).
Of course admittedly those were not completely contemporary stories, there is still a sense of an age gone by in them. Not unlike how people today often call the Second World War the "Greatest Generation".
Then it hit me as I was thinking of that, why not a version of Arthurian legend that is a Diesel Punk alternate history version of WWII.? And it can draw inspiration from Indiana Jones type movies with the Nazis seeking the Holy Grail and the Ark and other relics, but I'd go with the theory of the Ark being in Ethiopia, and the Grail more directly modeled after the old Grail romances. [Update, and you could maybe now take inspiration from the Anime Izetta The Last Witch].
I've created a list of Arthurian characters with roles they could play in this setting. In order to make this work I had to ignore the Pacific Theater, this is focused on Europe, Africa and the Middle East. And don't jump to too many conclusions about these identifications, it is an alternate history.
[Update March 31st 2020: I've made a lot of changes to this list over the years that includes many made today. And more may be made in the future]
King Arthur = King George VI of England (Arthur did happen to be part of his full name)
Anna = Mary Princess Royal
Igerne = Mary of Teck
Gwenivere = Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon
Soredamore = Princess Elizabeth Alexandra Mary
Tortolina = Princess Margaret
Budic of Brittany = Henry Lascelles, 6th Earl of Harewood
Prince Madoc = Prince Henry Duke of Gloucester
Emrys = Prince George Duke of Kent, Grand Master of United Grand Lodge of English Freemasonry
Vortigern = Duke of Windsor
Rowena = Wallie Simpson
Aurelius Ambrosious = Winston Churchill
Merlin = Aleister Crowley
Ninue = Dione Fortune
Vivian = Margaret Murray
Bishop Dubricus = Cosmo Gordon Lang
Bishop Pyramus = William Temple
Percival = Bonaparte Pretender
Dindrane = Sister of Percival
Gurnumanz = Georges Loustaunau-Lacau
King Feirefiz of Zazamanc = Emperor Halie Selassie of Ethiopia
Lancelot = Charles de Gaulle
Galahad = Philippe de Gaulle
Sir Bors = Oleanist Pretender
Lionel = Henri Count of Paris
Beowulf = King of Denmark
Emperor Alexander = King of Greece
Prince Alexander = Prince Philip
Micipsa = Stalin
Pompeius = Lenin
Ipomidon = Trotsky
Titurel = Hussein bin Ali
Firmutel = Abdullah I of Jordan
Anfortas = Talal
Baruc = Faisal
Bandes = Abd al-llah
Laamez = Rashi Ali al-Gaylani
Estorause = Ibn Saud
Corrsabrin = Amim al-Husseini
Gormundus = Reza Shah
Itarc = Ismet Inonu
King Pellam = FDR
Pellas = Henry A. Wallace
Garlon = Truman
Elaine = Eleanor Roosevelt
Pellinore = Eisenhower
Tristam = James Jesus Angleton
Lucius Tiberius = Benito Mussolini
Claudas = Hitler
Maleagant = Prince August Wilhelm of Prussia
Bademagu = Deposed Wilhelm II
Hengist = Ernest Augustus Duke of Brunswick
Horsa = Charles Edward Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
Characters Without (solid) real life analogues
Palamedes = Codename of an Arab who spies for the OSS
Iseult = Princess of Ireland