Showing posts with label Catwoman. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Catwoman. Show all posts

Monday, January 6, 2025

Time Bokan and the Skeletons of Cartoon VIllainy.

The Time Skeletons of the 1975 TV Anime Time Bokan are in Japan among the most Iconic villains in all of Animation.  This year will be their Fiftieth Anniversary.

But we Western Weebs haven’t had a lot of direct experience with them.

I’m among many who the first time I heard about them was in an AniTube video about how they were a big part of the inspiration for Team Rocket (Jesse, James and Meowth to be precise) in the Pokémon Anime.  The 2018 Anime Last Period had a group of villains I was comparing to Team Rocket as it aired and then when I learned about the Time Skeletons I immediately made that connection.

More recently we also learned how Waluigi was based on Glocky and the discarded Wapeach was based on Marjo which retroactively makes Wario into a Walther, or maybe he always was? 

There are no doubt many more.  When considering how similar to the Time Skeletons a group of villains are, there are many factors to consider.  Are they just functioning in the plot/story the same way or are there more specific parallels?  Are they only similar as a group or can each member be compared to a specific Time Skeleton?  Do they visually look similar?

Team Rocket are among the most distinct from the originals of confirmed admitted Time Skeleton descendants by pretty much all of those metrics.

For as much as the Time Skeletons are the Ur Text of so many Anime villains they are themselves also a product of trends and archetypes that came before them.   Who their predecessors within Anime are is something someone who knows way more than I do about very old Anime will have to look into.  But I happen to know a bit about what prior American Cartoon villains have some similar qualities.

Boris and Natasha from Rocky and Bullwinkle are among the first to come to mind.

I had long thought of Waluigi as looking a lot like Dick Dastardly, so after learning about this I’m thinking maybe Glocky is the missing link.

Marjo’s Iconic Costume actually reminds me a lot of a costume that Catwoman wore during much of the 70s in DC Comics.  But this Costume didn’t appear in Animation till Batman The Brave and The Bold in the 21st Century and I have no idea if any actual Batman Comics made it overseas to Japan during the 70s, so that similarity could be a coincidence.

This is one of many posts on my Blog where I don’t have a final thesis or anything, I just like thinking about these kinds of things.

Update March 2nd 2025: So in turns out what I said about the relationship between the Time Skeletons and Waluigi/Wapeach was actually me misremembering references to the similar villains in Yatterman an Anime that started airing two years later in 1977.  And my comparison of Marjo's Costume to that 70s Catwoman costume is also much more true of Doronjo.

But again these characters are also very Time Skeletons inspired, in fact the show literally took over Time Bokan's timeslot. But they were famous enough on their own that Miyamoto thought of them before the Time Skeletons when shooting down Wapeach.

Wednesday, May 18, 2022

Sometimes it's actually unethical not to Spoil a story.

When Doki Doki Literature Club first blew up back in 2017, one aspect of the conversation around it was occasionally how the Tigger Warnings at the beginning kind of Spoils the game, and yet it would still be wrong not to have them.  Fortunately the game is good enough at immersing the player during the hours it spends pretending to be a normal Visual Novel that you may very well have just forgotten about the Warnings by the time stuff starts happening.

DDLC's trigger warnings fortunately did not have to be very specific, there are lot of things they could have been referring to.  And even more Fortunately one potentially Triggering trope DDLC does not do is have a twist where a character we thought was a Cis Woman turns out to be a manipulative psychotic Trans Woman serial killer.  If that had happened, it would in my opinion warrant a more specific trigger warning.

That is a very specifically problematic trope that may be very potentially triggering to some people not necessarily inherently bothered by any broader trigger warnings it could be classified under.  But it is also a trope that is inherently a twist, you can't warn someone that it's coming without Spoiling the story in-question.  But I have no respect for the artistic intentions of creators who choose to use that damaging trope.  I am still a Libertarian when it coms to Free Speech, I have no desire to ban works that engage in Problematic tropes I hate, but the people who want to avoid this Trope also have the right to be warned about it.

In the case of this Trope it goes beyond being unethical to not spoil it, I'd call it outright Immoral to try to prevent people from giving this plot point away on the grounds that preserving Twists is some inherent virtue of your personal Internet Ethics.

I'd been playing by the old rules even though I've felt this way on the inside for awhile.  The Umineko Visual Novel does this trope yet I still didn't discus it till after the Spoiler warning in my Umineko post.  And NezumiVA is a Trans Woman Anituber who did an hour long spoiler free video on Umineko.  Some Trans Anime Fans aren't bothered by what Umineko did, but they need to understand that their being okay with it doesn't mean others will be, and some younger Trans Anime Fans may assume that because someone like NezumiVA recommended it without any qualifiers it must be completely free of any Transphobic tropes only to be very triggered when they invest countless hours into the VNs without any warning of what's coming.

Again I've been guilty of what I'm criticizing here myself in the past, I increasingly feel guilty how often I've recommended Pretty Little Liars to people while forgetting to bring up it's use of this trope in it's last 2 seasons.

That's just one example of an inherently Problematic Twist, there are others I'm sure, but this is the one I have personal experience with.

But after that is the perhaps more trivial but still worth discussing matter of cases where how something is marketed makes an aspect of it a Spoiler that clearly shouldn't be based on how the text itself is written.

Catwoman: Hunted is an animated movie that has no twists, saying exactly how the villain is defeated in the end can still be called a Spoiler, but the identity of the villain certainly is not.  The movie is NOT a mystery, who the main antagonist is is obvious very early in the film, way to early to at all be worth calling a spoiler.  Yet I got in trouble with a prominent YouTube channel on Twitter for referring to that villain on the grounds that it's a Spoiler.

The only reason the identity of the villain can at all be considered a Spoiler is because it was Marketed as if Black Mask were the villain. he's the only antagonist on the Cover.  But in the text itself he obviously is not the main villain, he is set up as less important then Minerva from the start.

I don't know why they did this.  It could be the film entered production before Wonder Woman 84 came out with the expectation that it would make Cheetah a big deal, but then after it had poor reception from the loudest online Nerds they decided to avoid the now tainted character in how they promoted it.  Either way though when something clearly not a twist in the script is inexplicably concealed in the marketing, I feel professional reviewers and other such online Fandom Influencers have a responsibility to clear up that Bait and Switch, not collaborate with it.

Now since Minerva doesn't take on a Cheetah look till the final battle, and some casual viewers may not instantly know to associate the name of Minerva with Cheetah, perhaps this Minerva becoming Cheetah you can argue is sufficiently a surprise.  But the Tweets I made didn't even say Cheetah, so to such a casual fan all it really gives away is that it's not Black Mask, and again anyone planning to watch this movie as specifically Black Mask fans should know going in that he is even less significant then he was in the Red Hood movie.

You would have to be fairly in the know to get specifically Cheetah from "most overused Wonder Woman villain" which is really only even true in the specific context of Animated DC projects.  Even then exactly what Cheetah is has been inconsistent over the years, I did not give away what kind of Cheetah you'll be getting.

But these DC Animated films are not made for casual fans, they are mostly made for the people who will recognize every obscure name they pull out.  And if Catwoman: Hunted were an exception they wouldn't have been so nonchalant about having a group of Crime Bosses summon Demons, Aliens and Robots to battle in the middle of a film that started as a simple Heist movie.  Even the most fantastical Lupin III movies are not that casual about their fantastical elements.  Only Superhero movies are this all over the place genre wise.

Monday, May 16, 2022

Catwoman: Hunted

I mentioned this movie in my last post rambling about Western Cartoons alleged to be Inspired by Anime even though I hadn't seen it yet.  Was any of my brief assessment presumptuous?

Frankly I might have been too generous in assuming it would at least succeed in looking like an Anime Artstyle.  It definitely looks like it's going for that, but still drawn by people not used to drawing that way.

As far as everything else, from it's OP it was clearly trying to go for a Lupin III OP vibe, which is what I should have expected,  naturally that's the genre of Anime one would reference for Catwoman, Fujiko Mine is basically Japan's Catwoman.  But as I said in the prior post what I'd like to see from Western Animation writers taking inspiration form Anime is them trying some of the very genres or Sub-Genres that pretty much exist only in Anime and it's source materials so far.  For Catwoman as a Lupin III film I'd rather WB/DC just let people in Japan who've made actual Lupin III Anime give it try, ideally the staff behind The Woman Called Fujoko Mine definitely deserve a shot at doing Catwoman.

But let's go back to that OP, it and other music in the movie is trying to be evocative of Lupin III, but the Composer is still not actually Yuji Ohno, so it's like one of those rare Bee Train Anime without Yuki Kajiura, the Music is trying to sound like her, but it's still off.  Now the composer for this movie is Japanese and has done some Anime, but not exactly a lot and usually not Lupin style stuff.  Yoko Kanno is someone I could also see working for a film like this.

I also could have accepted the movie as Anime Adjacent better if it at least had Voice Actors I recognized hearing from Anime Dubs instead of the same kind of casting most of these DC animated movies go for.  Kelly Hu as Cheshire is perfect, and Elizabeth Gillies as Catwoman was pretty good (on a meta-level I'd love to see her Catwoman interact with a Poison Ivy played by Ariana Grande).  But everyone else ranged from fine to to bland, Kate Kane sounded flat and dull.

If they wanted to sell this movie as also a quasi Lupin III movie, why not cast a Fujiko veteran as Catwoman, there are quite a few to choose from, since this is part of a trend of modern depictions wanting Catwoman to also come off as vaguely Latina, Christina Vee could have been a perfect choice.  And since they seemingly wanted Kate to come off as Butch rather then Femme, just hire Erica Mendez to do her Haruka voice.  

If you just want to watch the film like any other DC animated film, the fact that the Artstyle was clearly trying and not quite succeeding to have an Anime vibe might still annoy you.  Other then that it's pretty good, about what you'd expect from a Catwoman solo project at first, but then starts bringing in fantastical stuff that really wasn't necessary.

I appreciated the incorporation of the Classic Purple Dress costume for the ball at the beginning, but when she changed to the main costume of the movie the actual line about "keeping up up with the times" I found odd considering this is the costume primarily popularized by Hush 20 years ago, have the comics really not introduced any new Catwoman Costume since?

As much as I ragged on the the DCAMU films, I certainly preferred their take on the Kate Kane/Batwoman.

I also wish they'd revived Red Claw instead of making the main antagonist of this Batman spin off film be the most overused Wonder Woman villain.  She could have fit the Anime inspiration because I've for awhile felt like she was a little bit Panther Claw inspired.

Wednesday, January 3, 2018

Bat-Anime

So I talked about Batman Gotham Knight in a post last year.  Now I've learned another Anime Batman project is in the works, Batman Ninja.

I'll check it out.  But I feel that it like Gotham Knight but in a different way is still based on a limited idea of what Anime is from people who don't watch much about it, stereotypes it still has in some circles based on what got localized in the 90s.

I'm not that interested in seeing Batman in old Japan, as far as Batman as a period piece goes I still don't think we've gotten that right keeping him in the west yet since I don't share the reverence many have for Gotham by Gaslight.

First off lots of Anime is set outside Japan, so I'm curious how a Japanese Anime studio would Animate Batman in his usual setting.  But if you want to put Batman in Japan, put him in modern urban Japan, he need not be any more "Ninja" then he usually is.

I've been a Nerd of some sort all my life.  Batman is my oldest fandom, Anime is kind of my latest.  Perhaps that my interest in Anime is so relatively new means it might be a fad I'll move beyond.  But I don't think so, once I discovered what Anime is really capable of I felt like I found what I'd been looking for all along.  So there possibly is no one more interested in the idea of bringing Batman and Anime together then me.

Since Batman can be re-imagined a number of different ways, there is no one way to do Anime Batman right.  Still I have my preferences that I feel I should share.  And I will share them by mentioning Anime that already exist that appeal to me in ways that overlap with what I like about Batman, and/or want from future Batman stories.

My absolute favorite Anime is still the show that is in a sense my first Anime Anime, Noir.  Given what I said above it's perhaps no coincidence that what got me into Anime was one that made me think of Batman.  It's very title is based on how it harkens back to the same roots as Batman, Film Noirs and French Pulp Crime Fiction.  When I first watched it I felt like it was something Nolan could direct.  Chloe's movements often have a very Batman like quality to them.

And there are other Anime of a similar Genre to Noir, like Canaan or it's Bee Train sisters.

But then in a different way there is Kara no Kyoukai.  In Digibro's first video on Kara no Kyokai he talked about how the first film does a great job at giving the city personality.  And that is something Batman stories always try to do with Gotham, which Nerdwriter did a video on., YMMV on their successes and failures.

Many fans lament how post No Man's Land Gotham isn't really "Gothic" anymore, but rather a more realistically modern city.  But that is I feel a superficial definition of what Gothic means.  Yes Gothic originally refereed to a style of late medieval European architecture, Gothic Romance however as a genre moved beyond that.  Tyler Tichelaar likes to talk about how the origins of modern Urban fiction are tied to moving the tropes of Gothic Romance to a then contemporary setting.  And that of course overlaps with what I talked about in The Mysteries of Gotham.

And so perhaps giving a Gothic personality to a truly modern urban environment is exactly where  Anime like Kara no Kyoukai and other Light Novels Digi would call Faust style Light Novels, are more successful then a lot of post No Man's Land Batman stories.

I can't exactly leave out Lupin III, since I already talked about how the original Lupin is also a literary ancestor of Batman.  But in terms of style, most Lupin III is either goofier then I prefer my Batman, or going for more of a retro style then I technically want for Batman.  In the latter category is The Woman called Fujiko Mine.  Fujiko is beyond any shadow of a doubt the Catwoman of Anime.

I may add more to this post in the future.  Naturally sometimes stuff slips my mind.

But one thing I like about Anime is how much Genre stuff there is with female leads, or at least nearly gender even casts.  Batman Ninja is looking to be another Batman cartoon where it's mostly only the males of the Batman Family who will be joining him besides Catwoman.  I really want Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain to finally get a spotlight in Batman animation.  How perfect it could have been for that to also be a Batman Anime, but alas it is not to be.

Update August 2018: I can't believe I forgot to mention Death Note. Subtract the Supernatrual elements and it has a lot of Batman qualities.  There have been some mash up trailers of it to Nolan's Batman films.  Chief Yagami is the closest thing Anime has to a Jim Gordon, and Misa Amane has a very similar appeal to Harley Quinn, though so do Yanderes like Yuno Gasai.

Tuesday, October 18, 2016

The Mysteries of Gotham

I obtained the other day a Hardcover copy I ordered of Denny O'Neil's novelization of Knightfall.  As I often do I skipped to read the afterward before the actual book, in this case it didn't spoil anything since I knew the story from the BBC Radio Drama, and got a glimpse of the actual Comics in Robin Flying Solo, from various reviews I've read these adaptations of the story are improvements, or at least more polished.

The afterward I'm assuming is also written by O'Neil since no one else is credited and it seems like what he'd say.  In it he suggests that the ability of a Bat like creature which used to be a symbol of evil to become a modern Hero perhaps has it's roots in how the way cities are viewed changed in the middle of the 19th Century.  Dickens is the literary reference he cited, but I feel that theory provides good context for my desire to talk about how the roots of Batman and the genres he traverses stem from Eugene Sue and his French peers.

It was in Les Mysteries de Paris (The Mysteries of Paris) that Eugene Sue pretty much invented the modern Urban Crime and Mystery genres.  But key pieces that came before were Balzac's Human Comedy, Vidocq's memoirs and Lamothe-Lagon's The Police Spy.

I'm hardly the first to compare the protagonist of Sue's novel to Bruce Wayne, an Aristocrat secretly fighting evil by night in the Streets.  Key factors of who Bruce Wayne is are missing of course, but still he could be described as the first Dark Knight.

One of the evidences of the Dick Tracey influence on the Golden Age Batman stories is the commonality of villains with hideous scared or deformed faces, often explained by an accident involving Acid or Chemicals, like The Joker and Two-Face.  Well that trope also begins in The Mysteries of Paris with le Maître d'École (The Schoolmaster) who intentionally scared his face with acid to conceal his identity.

That novel was a massive hit and thus naturally spawned a slew of imitators, the most obvious of which tended to be called "The Mysteries of _____".  Stephen Knight's book The Mysteries of The Cities: Urban Crime Fiction in The Nineteenth Century talks about many of them.  Not all will be specifically mentioned here.  And I will mention here some he didn't.

Alexandre Dumas The Count of Monte-Cristo began from an editorial mandate to create another Mysteries of Paris.  But the final product is not really street level enough to make that connection clear.  I'd guess the most Suesque novel Dumas wrote was probably The Mohicans of Paris.

There were two novels called The Mysteries of London.  One by an actual Englishman, George Reynolds, which was vital to kicking off the Penny dreadful craze.  And there was Paul Feval's Les Mysteries de Londres which actually began serialization sooner.  It was also an overlooked influence on tCoMC, and it had an abridged English Translation in about 1847/8.  And later Feval made it part of a shared universe with many other Crime novels he wrote, chiefly John Devil and The Blackcoats series.

But we also can't overlook Sue's own next project, The Wandering Jew, which was about equally as big a hit, and carried on some similar themes.  And later in the last couple novels of Sue's Les Mysteries du People saga he made them part of the same universe.

In the 1850s, Ponson Du Terril sought to emulate The Mysteries of Paris with his Les Drames de Paris series, which inevitably morphed into the Rocambole saga.  Rocambole was so influential a French literary term was named after him, Rocambolesque.

In John Devil, the character of Gregory Temple very much anticipates Sherlock Holmes, but the influence seems to have been indirect.  The key middle man was Emile Gaboriou who started out working for Feval, but then wrote many detective novels of his own.  Chiefly the Monsieur Lecoq series, Lecoq is cited by name in the first Holmes novel.  Nick Carter who was created in America about the same time as Holmes also has about the same roots.

All of these French novels and writers were an influence on later writers like Gaston Leroux (Cheri-Bibi, Phantom of The Opera and Rouletible), Maurice Leblanc (Arsene Lupin) and Marcel Allain & Pierre Souvestre (Fantomas).  And in turn on early silent serials like the Fantomas adaptations, Les Vampires, Judex and Belphagor ect.

On the Penny Dreadful connection.  One character who's existence is probably just a coincidence but still worth noting is The Human Bat.

The known and confirmed immediate artistic influences on Batman were 1, Superman who DC wanted a repeat of, 2, Kane being visually inspired by Silent films like The Bat, and The Man Who Laughs which was in turn an adaptation of one of Victor Hugo's later novels (Brian Stableford suggests that novel owes a slight debt to Paul Feval).  3. Bill Finger who actually wrote the stories was mainly drawing on Sherlock Holmes, Zorro, Dick Tracey, The Shadow and similar pulp character like The Spider, and perhaps a bit from hard boiled Detective novels like those of Hammett and Chandler.

Zorro's name being a Spanish word for Fox is further evidence to me his roots go back to Paul Feval's Le Loup Blanc, and it's prequel La Louve.  The former had three English translations in the mid 1800s all called The White Wolf.  Other swashbucklers Feval wrote that are similar and had English translations were Le Bossu and The Three Red Knights: or, The Brothers' Vengeance.  As well as Bel Demonio which even had an English Language stage play adaptation performed in London.

I agree with Rick Lai that the immediate roots of The Shadow lie chiefly in The Phantom of The Opera, Arsene Lupin, and Judex.

Let's talk about Batman's villains a bit.  Professor Hugo Strange actually appeared first of the recurring villains.  In his very first appearance he wasn't mainly a Mad Scientist which modern depictions focus on, he was explicitly a Professor Moriarty figure.  And Moriarty was inspired by criminals Lecoq faced and in turn by Feval villains.

I actually did a post about The French History of The Femme Fatale, in which I mentioned French predecessors for both Catwoman and Poison Ivy, chiefly Irma Vep of Les Vampires for the former.  Thing is however, Catwoman didn't wear a costume at all in her first appearance, the original Catwoman has been described as being like a female Arsene Lupin.  The Lupin novels themselves arguably more then once toyed with the idea of a female Lupin, as I also hinted at in the Femme Fatale post.

The Penguin has also been compared to Dick Tracey villains like Broadway Bates.  But I feel a key predecessor of The Penguin was Gutman from The Maltese Falcone, who looks more like The Penguin in the 1931 film version then he does in the more well known 1941 film. 

Batman and Superman have both changed a lot from how they were in the earliest of their Golden Age stories.  I personally think that's for the best with Batman yet lament it with Superman.  I certainly love all the expansions of and additions to the Superman mythology to come from later writers, but I feel a core piece of the soul of Siegel and Shuster's character has been lost.  Which is why I still feel the best Live Action Superman is George Reeves and the best Animated are the Fleischer Shorts, but even there what I'm referring to is already fading, The Champion of The Oppressed.

I think my justification for that different perspective is partly because Batman was a more blatantly derivative character.  Siegel and Shuster had to fight for years to get a publisher to take a chance on Superman, while Batman was the product of an editorial mandate to recreate the success of Superman, just like so many works made in the wake of The Mysteries of Paris.

Not to say Superman wasn't also influenced by earlier fiction/mythology.  Comparisons to Pulp adventurers like Doc Savage and the one Cracked.com accused Superman of ripping off are common.  And Siegel and Shuster's goal was partly to create a modern Samson but with an origin that was a SciFi version of Moses.  The connection to Samson in turn causes comparisons to other mythical strongmen from Herakles/Hercules to Machiste.  And the origin story I feel happens to resemble Sargon and Perseus more then Moses.

But the point is Superman was from the start clearly distinct from his literary ancestors, while Batman's distinctive characterization had to be developed by later writers.  Writers like Frank Robbins, Denny O'Neil, Len Wein, Marv Wolfman, Gerry Conway, Chuck Dickson, Jeph Leob, Greg Rouka and Gail Simone.  And while they're a mixed bag we can't overlook Frank Miller, Alan Moore and Grant Morrison.  And plenty of what's been done in other media was important too.

But of course it's not just the Golden Age writers who drew on earlier stories.  Later Batman writers first off drew on earlier Batman stories.  But also in the 70s there was a lot of James Bond influence, Ra's Al Ghl is a product of that.  And later Nolan cited James Bond influence for Batman Begins (which was also novelized by O'Neil), Heat and Clockwork Orange for The Dark Knight, and Joseph Campbell and Star Wars for TDKRises, and also A Tale of Two Cities, so Dickens was relevant after all.  But I feel the James Bond books themselves owe a debt to Batman, particularly the villain Goldfinger who has a very Penguin vibe to me, or at least based on the same earlier characters as The Penguin.

Jeph Leob's The Long Halloween was in Batman canon a simultaneous sequel to Miller's Year One and reworking of aspects of Eye of The Beholder.  But he was also drawing on The Godfather films, Raymond Chandler novels like The Long Goodbye which inspired the name, and Silence of The Lambs.  And Tim Burton shared Bob Kane's love of old German Expressionism Silent Films, thus we see plenty of Cabinet of Dr Caligari in Batman Returns.

And even those influences can still be traced back at least partly to these French Authors I'm seeking to draw more attention to.

I haven't read Gotham by Gaslight yet, but from the premise I'm already disappointed.  Things like using Jack The Ripper rather then normal Batman villains isn't what I want.  For starters I would like these 19th century literary roots of Batman to be looked at in how to adapt him for a period piece.  And then the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was once New York police Commissioner makes using him as inspiration for Gordon seem natural.

But also I saw Gangs of New York a few weeks ago, and it has some things in common with how I'd imagine a 19th Century Batman story.  Daniel Day Lewis character could make a good model for The Penguin, and Cameron Diaz for Catwoman, and Twede for Rupert Throne.

Years ago I saw a documentary on The History channel about Crime in Ancient Rome, the main host/narrator of the show seemed similar to me to Keith Scott from One Tree Hill, but I don't know if it was really the same actor.  That naturally got my mind spinning about how you could do Batman in Ancient Rome.  But now I'm well off the main subject of this post.

Thursday, June 30, 2016

The French History of The Femme Fatale

The term Femme Fatale is used to describe a lot of ancient archetypes, like Succubi (including Lilith) and Sirens, and Sorceresses like Circe, Medea and Morgan Le Fey.  As well the reputations of some powerful historical women easily accused of gaining influence only through sex, Queens and Royal Mistresses and Concubines and Courtesans ect.

But the reason our default term for all of them today is a French term is because the transformation of the Femme Fatale into a modern Charismatic Supervillain is largely the work of French popular fiction of the 19th and early 20th Century.  And I’ve decided to give my admittedly amateur analysis of how that happened.

Of course in the case of the Film Noir version that genre as a whole is affiliated with French terms.  For that reason I’ll occasionally note works that anticipate the Film Noir in general but may not have a particularly notable Femme Fatale.

Now a few late 18th and early 19th century non French Examples are worthy of note in planting some seeds.  Mainly any women who might qualify in the early Gothic Novels of Anne Radcliffe, Matthew Gregory Lewis and the Marquis deSade.  Particularly Juliette and Matilda/Rosario.  And possibly also Jane Austen’s Lady Susan.

This will include the development of the Femme Fatale Vampire as well, and as more than just a footnote. Just as the Byronic Vampire makes a great Supervillian when put into a contemporary setting, so too we shall see the Vampiress has been a vital transitional phase of the Femme Fatale from the mythological Succubus to a modern master criminal.

The first appearance of a Female Vampire among modern Vampire literature sparked by Polidori was in 1820 Cyprien Berard’s Lord Ruthwen ou Les Vampires, translated into English by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as The Vampire Lord Ruthwen.  But that character is not really a Seductress in-spite of some wanting to describe her that way, she’s described as more of an Anti-Vampire.

The first Femme Fatale Vampire would be 1825’s La Vampire ou la Vierge de Hongrie, translated into English by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as The Virgin Vampire.  Alinska’s basic look kind of anticipates Carmilla, with the Dark Hair and being noticeably pale but not enough to be obviously unnatural.  The character is pretty complex, she anticipates later Femme Fatale vampires but is clearly less of one in comparison.  It’s a very good novel, probably the first true Vampire novel in general in some ways.

On May 29th 1832 was the premier of a play whose authorship is a bit disputed between a young Alexandre Dumas and Frederic Gaillardet.  It was called La Tour de Nesle and was based on a medieval French totally ahistorial urban legend about Marguerite of Burgundy.  She has extramarital affairs and then kills her lovers to cover them up.  It inspired a string of French melodramas about female serial killers.  It’s relevance here is mainly to one Novel I’ll get to later.

In 1836 Theophile Gautier wrote La Morte Amoureuse, also known as Clairmonde.  Clairmonde is probably the first Femme Fatale vampire as we’re used to thinking of them.  And is about the only piece of 19th century French prose Vampire literature to have a near contemporary English translation, while most of the rest I shall talk about did not become available in English until Brian Stableford and BlackCoatPress came along.  For that reason it might be easy to say this is the only one that could have been a direct influence on any later English works.  But lots of indirect influences happen, and it wasn’t uncommon for educated Victorian Englishmen to know French.

In 1843-44 Alexandre Dumas’ The Three Musketeers was serialized.  In it is who is often cited as the first modern Femme Fatale, Milady De Winter.  She also anticipates the Femme Fatale spy.  She is a very cunning and charming woman, but still lacks something in my view.

At the same time Eugene Sue was serializing The Mysteries of Paris.  This is arguably the birth of the genre that would inevitably morph into the Film Noir, and other forms of Urban Crime fiction.  But it lacks a really compelling Femme Fatale with the closest character being maybe Countess Sarah.

In 1845 Prosper Merimee wrote the novella Carmen which would later be the inspiration for the more well known Opera.  It begins the problematic seductive Gypsy Temptress stereotype, or introduces it into literature at least.

In 1851 was Alexandre Dumas’ Le Vampire stage play, now translated faithfully into English by Frank Morlock, and can be bought along with an original story by Morlock about Alexandre Dumas himself fighting vampires in the BlackCoatPress volume The Return of Lord Ruthven.  It features a female vampire though she is technically called La Ghoule and goes by the name Ziska.  The lore of the play tells us that that Ghouls are typically Seductresses, but this one is actually the hero of the play having fallen in love with the protagonist.

Still her sensuous nature does come across, people who get annoyed at male leads choosing a boring Betty over the more interesting Veronica may be similarly annoyed here.  Because Ziska is a very passionate woman while Antonia is basically an Ingenue.

Before 1851 was over it had inspired two English language Stage Plays.  Boucicault’s removed the Ghoul entirely from his re-imagining.  But Augustus Glossop Harris wrote a play that he presented as an equally original story but was really just an English Translation of Dumas’ play with a few rewrites.  I have not been able to find the text of either play to read online however, what I know about them is thanks to Roxana Stuart's Stage Blood.

The changes made included adding Soliloquies, removing Melsuine further increasing Ziska’s role.  And introducing the idea of using a Cross to ward off the Vampire.  While earlier Vampire stories had found ways to make Christianity relevant to dealing with Vampires, this is as far as I know the introduction of the idea of the Cross warding them off.  So this play in-spite of being critically panned was clearly influential, and perhaps looks closer to what a modern Vampire fan would expect then Dumas' original.

In 1852 Ponson du Terrail launched his career with La Barronne Trepassee, translated into English by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as The Vampire and The Devil’s Son.  This story is a very Anne Radcliffe style Gothic novel, but also quite surreal.  It was clearly an attempt to further cash in on the Vampire craze that Dumas just started, but the artistic influences were more Clarimonde, Ann Radcliffe and possibly The Virgin Vampire.  The Femme Fatale would be a recurring theme in Ponson’s career, but those he wrote outside his Vampire novels and the Rocambole saga I still lack direct knowledge of.  Ponson also innovated a lot of tropes common in modern Romance novels, particularly historical romances.

In 1856 was serialized Paul Feval’s novel La Vampire, translated into English for BlackCoatPress as The Vampire Countess.  That date is a bit disputed but I trust Stableford’s reasoning.  This may not be the first Femme Fatal that Feval wrote, the majority of his output is still not available in English, and besides the fairy tale like short stories included in Anne of The Isles and maybe Revenants by a year or two, this is the earliest one that has been done by Brian Stableford.  Most of the inevitably flawed Public Domain translations I haven’t taken the time to read yet, not quite all are online yet anyway.  The Mysteries of London and Bel Demonio don’t seem to have any but those translations are abridged.  Some may want to count Regina of Bel Demonio as one but I do not, she is a fascinating character for totally different reasons.

This novel is ambiguous about if any of the Supernatural aspects are real.  And regardless of if the title character is really a Vampire the overall substance of the story is more an example of Paul Feval’s contributions to the development of Crime and political Espionage fiction.  That combined with many aspects of her characterization I feel make Countess Marcian Gregoryi ultimately more relevant to the literary development of the human criminal Femme Fatale then the Vampire Femme Fatale.  And she did quickly after I read the book become possibly my favorite.

If you’re someone who likes seeing the Femme Fatale victorious, then the interpretation where she is a vampire is the preferable one, she’s allowed agency in her end no other Feval villain had.  But if you like seeing the desire to use a woman as an excuse for a male character’s sins deconstructed, then how Stableford explains the naturalistic interpretation is pretty interesting too.

In 1857 Ponson launched what would become known as the Rocambole saga with Les Drames de Paris: L’Heritage Mysterieux.  There is an unabridged translation of this novel done by a relative of Ponson called Rocambole and The Mysterious Inheritance.  I haven’t read that yet however, my familiarity with the Rocambole novels is through Basil Balian’s abridged translations done in three volumes.  Rocambole Volume 1: The Dark Side, Rocambole Volume 2: Redemption and Rocambole Volume 3: Crusade.  I have skipped volume 2 and read only 1 and 3, so I know the first 3 Rocambole novels (the third split into two books making up half of volume one), the last part of the Indian adventure which isn’t really set in India anymore, and the last 3 books all dealing with England.  While these translations are abridged I don’t feel like I’ve missed anything besides a few quotes and anecdotal details mentioned on CoolFrenchComics.com one of which will be relevant later.

Baccarat has been called THE Femme Fatale of the Rocambole saga.  To my perspective it’s only in the first book she’s even a disputable candidate to be one.  After that she becomes the real Hero of the saga before Rocambole switches sides.  And while I can count a Heroic character as a Femme Fatale, Baccarat is not what I would count as one at all.

The Baccarat whose reputation we often hear of as a Courtesan with a heart of Ice who many men tried to melt but none could, never appears in the story at all.  When we meet her at the start of the story she’s already fallen in love with Fernand and has thus already begun her transformation.

Because Fernand is in love with the woman Sir Williams wants to marry to steal her inheritance, he proposes to help Baccarat obtain her desire.  Her attempts to seduce Fernand are neither manipulative or successful.  Her main sin is that it’s heavily implied she raped Fernand (he doesn’t know who she is until he wakes up naked in bed next to her, also naked).  It’s who she is in the second and third novel that I feel make her a character Feminists would like.  But forgiving her for that offense may be difficult for modern readers who are quite sensitive to Female on Male rape not being taken as seriously.

In the second Novel Le Clubs des Valets de Couer serialized in 1858. Baccarat is the real hero, someone else had to step up since Armand de Kergaz, the intended hero of the saga originally, has become utterly useless due to his blind desire to believe his brother’s claimed reformation.  Baccarat is at first the only person who can see through Sir Williams.

And it is in this novel that we meet the best Femme Fatale that Ponson wrote, that I’ve been able to read at least, Turquoise. Her job is to seduce two men who survived the previous novel and manipulate them into killing each other.  And it would have worked if not for that meddling Baccarat.  CoolFrenchComics.com uses to say she was a Hypnotist, the abridged translation I read lacks any direct reference to that, but her seduction scenes do give off an Hypnotic vibe, I say that as a connoisseur of online Femdom Hypnosis erotica.  I also feel stylistically like this character was influenced by The Vampire Countess, that may not have been a particularly successful Feval novel at the time, but Ponson would have been keeping track of everything Feval did as his main competition.

In the third Rocombole novel, Les Exploits de Rocambole, the Femme Fatale character is a never before mentioned sister of Baccarat, and even though they only share the same father she functions narratively 100% as an Identical Twin.  She’s adequate, her possible main innovation is being an early Femme Fatale who’s also an evil twin/doppelganger of a more virtuous character, but I can’t be sure she’s the first since I haven’t read Dumas’ The Queen’s Necklace yet and so I’m uncertain if the Marie Antoinette doppelganger featured there I would consider a Femme Fatale at all.

Now we reach the second relevant Paul Feval character.  In Jean Diable, translated into English by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as John Devil (the English title is more accurate this time as the title character is the alias of an English criminal), we have the character who we are first introduced to as Sarah O’Neil.  She is distinct from the other two Feval characters discussed here in that she doesn’t seem even quasi Supernatural.  Her confidence in her ability to make men fall in love with her is much more realistic.  

She kind of foreshadows the Film Noir Femme Fatale more then other examples discussed so far, particularly how the opening chapter mostly revolved around her walking into the detective’s office and sitting in front of his desk and giving him very specific information.  She’s also Henri Belcamp’s only accomplice in on the entirety of his plan.

In 1965 Paul Feval wrote the second novel of his Les Habits Noirs series, Couer d’Acier, translated into English by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as The Blackcoats: Heart of Steel.  This novel formally introduced Marguerite Sadoulas, who is the principal antagonist in this novel.  She is identified with the unnamed woman who was disguised as a Nun while The Colonel was on his Deathbed in the first Novel.  Thematically the story takes inspiration from La Tour de Nesle, but this Marguerite becomes her own distinctive character and ultimately a superior one.

She is besides maybe The Vampire Countess the most powerful and effective Femme Fatale Feval wrote, and perhaps of any in 19th century literature.  Her similarities to that character aren’t a coincidence, and I think by more than just being the product of the same author.  I suspect Feval was intentionally trying to rework the version of that character who was a mere human.  Based on her sometimes seemingly supernatural ability to manipulate men, as well as Greed and Avarice being her real motivations.  (There would be major flaws however in any desire to compare her relationship with Lecoq to Addhema’s with Szandor). And the name Marguerite happens to appear in the first chapter of La Vampire when discussing Faust.

Marguerite is a rare example of a Femme Fatale who never falls into the trap of falling for her victim.  Nor does she ever turn good like many other only female members of a group of villains tend to do.

She right from this first novel shows that there is more to her as villain then just being a Seductress.  She becomes the leader of the Blackcoats as a whole after the demise of Lecoq.  But even more so in that she appears to varying degrees of importance in 4 of the 5 following Les Habits Noirs novels.  In those the Femme Fatale factor of her character rarely if ever comes up.  Indeed as someone who read the books out of publication order (not exactly BCP’s publication order either), Heart of Steel was the last that I completed (which is all but one).  I was before I got to Heart of Steel uncertain if she’d even qualify as a Femme Fatale, I’d seen her described as one (like on TVtropes, that example isn’t one of the ones I added), but as alluded to I feel some female characters are described that way inaccurately.  Cadet Gang I can’t fully speak to since I haven’t finished it, that one is below the quality of the rest.

In Salem Street she’s just a supporting character, and in The Invisible Weapon she has only one scene.  But she is important to The Companions of The Treasure.  In the first half her gender is relevant only in that she posed for a painting as Venus.  But her only scene in the novel that could be described as a seduction scene is the one with Irene in the second half.  Indeed it seems in the second half of that novel her role is arguably the role Feval would have given Lecoq if it were as plausible to resurrect him post 1842.  It’s largely with the help of this that she to me easily surpasses Lecoq and becomes the real number two villain of the saga.

In 1867 Ponson finished Le Dernier Mot de Rocambole.  It is only the last part of this novel I’ve read, it features a character called The Beautiful Gardiner, this character is unfortunately another example of the Gypsy Temptress stereotype, in fact there are many reasons this volume is probably the most Racist Rocambole novel.  She also has a fetish for plants and uses them in her schemes.  For that reason she perhaps anticipates Poison Ivy, but her motivations are not at all the same, no Eco-Terrorism here.

In 1867-68 Ponson serialized Les Miseres de Londres, the seventh Rocambole novel and perhaps the most distinct as it lacks any prior recurring characters of the saga besides Rocambole himself.  Rocambole becomes involved with Irish revolutionaries.  The main villains in terms of rank are Reverend Peters Town aka Patterson, whom the abridged Translation calls Bishop Towne and Lord Palmure.  But it is in fact Ellen Palmure who is the most active antagonist and the only one who can match wits with Rocambole, and she plans to Seduce him.  She is the best character of this book by far.

The problem is in the following books after she changes sides from falling in love with Rocambole she becomes one of many female characters who seem to lose their cunning and ingenuity once they turn good.  The falling in love with Rocambole itself may come off contrived, but it’s a Rocambolesque melodrama, I could forgive that if she remained as formidable a character as she was as a villain.

In 1869 Ponson wrote La Femme Immortelle, translated by Brian Stableford for BlackCoatPress as The Immortal Woman.  This is his other Vampire novel with a female vampire.  I haven’t finished it yet and don’t have much to comment on, besides that the story involved Alchemy.

In 1872 Sheridan LeFanu published In A Glass Darkly which included the novella Carmilla.  Besides translations from other languages Carmilla would be the first Femme Fatale Vampire in English literature, there were prior female Vampires like Clara Crompton from the Varney the Vampire saga, but she wasn’t much of a seductress.  That the novel is indebted to French influences is possibly homaged by having one of the Governesses be French.

The name Carmilla is explained in universe as an anagram of Mircalla (a much more plausible Austrian name).  I suspect that the Meta origin of the name is combining Carmen (mentioned above) with Camilla of the Aeneid, whose relationship to Diana has been speculated to be a Lesbian one, like Artemis with many of her Maiden companions.  Combing a Femme Fatale name with a Lesbian name.

On March 3 1875 premiered the Opera version of Carmen.


In the first decade of the 20th century the Arsene Lupin stories of Maurice Leblanc began being published.  A number of characters who could be described as Femme Fatales appear in the Lupin stories, though not all appear in the earliest ones.  My Lupin knowledge is admittedly very limited still, I’ve directly read only two novels and a few of the early short stories.

813 is also another good novel to mention as a prototype of the Film Noir in general even if it lacks a Femme Fatale (I haven't read it yet).  It was originally written in 1910, but Leblanc later rewrote it for a new edition in 1917, following the example of Mary Shelley and anticipating Tolkien’s rewriting of The Hobbit and George Lucas updating of the original Star Wars trilogy.  It is this updated version that is the basis for Jean-Marc & Randy Lofficer’s English translation done recently for Black Coat Press, and is the reason the CoolFrenchComics.com Lupin Timeline dates the events of the Novel later then when it was first written.

The 19teens also saw an increase in Femme Fatale presence in Silent films in both America and France, like A Fool There Was.  James Rolfe’s video on lost Horror films mentions how many films with Vampire in the name came out in this decade.  The one that involved a snake woman sounds like it was actually based on the Lamia of Greek mythology.

But one Silent project of this period with Vampire in the name not lost is the 1915-1916 French silent serial Les Vampires, which features the proto-Catwoman character of Irma Vep, the first known example of a villainess wearing a skin tight catsuit, though it’s only in one scene.  It was not a supernatural story at all but a Crime Saga.   The director made this project after losing the rights to Fantomas.  But I feel it’s highly likely this was also influenced by Paul Feval.  

The same actress who played Irma Vep, Musidora, went on to appear in the director’s next serial Judex in 1916-17 as another villainess known as Diana Monti aka Marie Verdier.  Judex had a sequel but that serial is lost, the novelizations of both have been translated into English for Black Coat Press by Rick Lai.  The sequel featured another villainess played by a different actress but seemingly playing a similar role, this one has been described as also wearing a skin tight catsuit, perhaps the second known example.

The years 1910 and 1917 also featured Silent shorts called La Femme Fatale.  There was later a 1946 film made with that title.

In February of 1919 Berie Benoit published L’Atlantide, a novel about a Queen of Atlantis descended from Anthony and Cleopatra named Antinea.  Benoit was unfairly accused of plagiarizing She, CoolFrenchComics has a page explaining why that wasn’t the case.  Antinea went on to be subject to more film adaptations then She, even specifically English Language films.  Antinea and She were both clearly a major influence on many Femme Fatale Evil Queens of the Fantasy (and sometimes SciFi) Genre.

In 1920 was written the first Bulldog Drummond novel by H.C. McNeilie.  The Femme Fatale of this saga was Irma Peterson, wife of the original villain Carl Peterson.  Her name is clearly evidence of being partly inspired by Irma Vep.  She takes over as the main villain in 1928.  She could very well be the first true Pulp Style Femme Fatale in the English Language.

The 1923 silent film version of The Ten Commandments directed by Cecil B DeMille is not what you’d expect, unlike the now more famous remake from the same director the depiction of the Exodus is only an extended prologue, most of the film is set in the then present.  It features a Femme Fatale character played by Nita Naldi referred to as The Eurasian, specifically she seems to be defined as half Chinese and half French.

In 1924 was published the Lupin novel La Comtesse de Cagliostro.  An early English translation was made called Memoirs of Arsene Lupin, but it was very flawed, I read and recommend Jean Marc & Randy Lofficer’s Arsene Lupin vs Countess Cagliostro, published by Black Coat Press, which includes two Lupin novels.  This Novel is a prequel, depicting Lupin’s origin story.  The title character also called Josephine Balsamo, is distinct from other Lupin characters who could be called Femme Fatales, her ambiguous Supernatural qualities make her I feel very Feval and Ponson influenced, but with Lore based on Dumas version of Count Cagliostro. She is definitely one of the best Femme Fatales ever created.

During both the later Silent and early sound era Anna May Wong played a lot of Exotic Femme Fatales.  She was also very unhappy about being repeatedly typecast in that role.  Still she was very good at them.  Two of them were very 1001 Arabian Nights inspired works, and so a likely influence of Galland is there.  One was a Fu Manchu based film, Sax Romer was no doubt influenced by French Novels.

Even though Arsene Lupin has somewhat fell into obscurity in the English speaking world he was very influential particularly on early pulp writers.  Walter B Gibson had admitted to Arsene Lupin being a major influence on The Shadow.  

I should also note that the Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers style space operas that inspired Star Wars were largely about putting the conventions of Swashbuckling adventures in space, the genre codified by The Three Musketeers, so Femme Fatales in those may have been influenced by Milady as well as Antinea.

In Japan, Fujiko Mine is often thought of as the definitive Femme Fatale.  She is part of the Lupin III aka Lupin The Third franchise, directly derivative of Arsene Lupin.  I’m not sure which of the women in the original Lupin stories makes the most likely prototype, but I think Countess Cagliostro is the least comparable, Fujiko is like Lupin himself an Anti-Hero, Josephine Balsamo is Evil.  It’s also reasonable to speculate Lupin III’s creators were influenced by other French works too, not just Lupin.

La Demoiselle aux yeux verts published in 1927 (literally translates as The Damsel with the Green Eyes) is interesting in that it had an English translation called Arsene Lupin Super Sleuth, but it’s long out of print and hard to find.  But searching on Amazon it seemed much easier to find in both Japanese and Korean.  And from what I’ve read about it there are possibly two characters in this novel who make possible Fujiko Mine prototypes.

The late 1920s and early 1930s is when the various genres of Pulp Novels start taking off in America, including the Hard Boiled Detective characters of Dashiell Hammett and Raymond Chandler, that helped directly inspire the Film Noir genre.

Another Arsene Lupin novel whose title hints at a Femme Fatale possibly being involved is 1933’s The Woman with Two Smiles.  But I don’t know anything about it.

In 1934 was released a remake of Judex that I would assume was a talkie but I can’t find much info on it.  Diana Monti was played by Blanche Bernis.

The other Lupin novel published in Arsene Lupin vs Countess Cagliostro and thus the other one I’ve read is 1935’s La Cagliostro se Venge or The Revenge of Cagliostro.  Countess Cagliostro doesn’t appear in it however, it’s set about when La Comtesse de Cagliostro was written and features Lupin being informed she died several years earlier.  The Novel happens to seem unlike other Lupin stories a lot like the early Hard Boiled Detective novels that had become popular in America.  It does have a character who could be called a Femme Fatale of sorts, Faustine.

1936 is probably the first Film or at least Talkie appearance of the Vampire Femme Fatale in Dracula’s Daughter.  The Novel was inspired by Bram Stoker’s Dracula's Guest which was published as a short story but is really a deleted early chapter. That was in turn a homage to Carmilla, but since Dracula's Daughter unlike Dracula’s Guest has some Lesbian action, it’s safe to assume the filmmakers were also familiar with Carmilla directly.

Also in 1936 an unidentified author using the pen name Lars Anderson created The Domino Lady arguably both the first and best example of a heroic Femme Fatale (that may be subject to adjustment once I become more familiar with Arsene Lupin’s adventures).  We have no way of knowing how much this author was influenced by French stories.

In 1941 the Film Noir genre kicks off with The Maltese Falcon, starring Bogart, which was actually the third adaptation of that novel.

In 1943 Son of Dracula was released, arguably the second appearance of a Vampire Femme Fatale on Screen, with Louse Allbritton’s character as the Femme Fatale.  The plot has been compared to being like a Film Noir with Vampires, specifically the Double Indemnity/Postman Always Rings Twice formula.  But it predates both of those films and the source material for the former.  It is possibly the first Vampire film or story in any medium to feature a human character intentionally seeking to become a Vampire.

The Film Noir continued to thrive till near the end of the 1950s.

In 1963 another remake of Judex was made.  This one I’ve seen, it’s one of the few CoolFrenchComics.com relevant French Films to be available with English Subtitles.  It also clearly homages Les Vampires by having Diana Monti (Francine Berge) wear a skintight black catsuit.  It should be noted that Catwoman did not really start regularly wearing a catsuit till Julie Newmar in 1966.  This film also predates Marvel’s Black Widow.

A 1974 film from the same director called Nuits Rouges aka Shadowmen would also feature a villainess in a skin tight catsuit.